SONAR 🪇💥❣️ Happy Birthday Beatrix Potter (1866) 🎂
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#1865 TUE 07/28/2026
Spoilers OK here. For today’s puzzle, post your comments, replies, wins, rants, or any observation. Feel free to paste in your green + yellow box solution share, Scoredle, or WordleBot results.
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Was sort of expecting a repeat
🟩⬛🟨⬛🟩stair
🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩swear
🟩🟩⬛🟩🟩solar
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩sonar 🙄😖
Nerd alert (physicist/scuba diver)🤓
Sonar (like radar, laser, and scuba) started out as an acronym (sound navigation and ranging). The
Under water principle was first shown by da Vinci (1490) but the term SONAR wasn’t used until 1942.
“The web” had told me that scuba had been removed from the solution list by NYT because it was an acronym (first used in 1952 but MW lists it as a regular word now) . And (in the original list) it was supposed to the solution on Aug 16, 2023.
But in Dec 2022 NYT reshuffled the list. Up until then they had keeping the order but were just skipping words they didn’t like.
Hopefully “the web” was wrong about “scuba” (can’t find my original source that said it was cut)
SCUBA wasn’t cut and it’s Weighted Bottles score is %58.
It will certainly be played some day.
The original list of REMOVEs from the 2315 list. (June 19, 2021)
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FIBRE
LYNCH
PUPAL
SLAVE
WENCH
List of REMOVEs that were played on days with 2 answers
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AGORA (241.1) – 2/15/2022
FETUS (324.1) – 5/9/2022
List of REMOVEs the were removed when FETUS was played
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FANNY
GIPSY
GYPSY
MAMMY
SEMEN
WELSH
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That’s 6 words that some of you may not have known about!
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Words with Weighted Bottles scores of less than %4
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ABLED (% 0.23)
AXION (% 3.53)
BUSED (% 0.23)
CAPUT (% 3.07)
CLUED (% 0.23)
GAYLY (% 2.76)
HUMPH (% 3.32)
KNEED (% 0.23)
MIMIM (% 2.76)
MOULT (% 1.15)
OCTAL (% 2.76)
PLIED (% 0.23)
PLIER (% 2.37)
RALPH (% 3.53)
ROGER (% 3.32)
TONGA (% 1.85)
You can confidently ignore those on your 2315 list I think.
There are different reasons for different words to be removed.
This is built into Wordle Bot.
Humph being the 3rd word ever (or 4th? Cigar is 0?) sounds like the guy was trolling his friends a bit even very early on.
We’ve had moult before.
Clued, plied & octal seem like weird things to exclude (not just because I’ve started with or guessed them before 🥲)
Gaily vs gayly I can see being a problem, however, Kaput is with a K, absolutely.
Kneed seems fine too but w/e.
Rest I can see being excluded
Imagine scrabble freaks coming over to this game with all the guess/solve crap going on here. “What do you mean “abuna” wasn’t it??” Maybe that’s where all the bizarre guess 6 fails on wordlebot come from
You’re right, HUMPH (3) – (6/22/21) and MOULT (99) – (9/6/21) were played.
Perhaps, since these were played before FETUS on 5/9/22 they didn’t think about them.
Personally, I don’t have a problem with either of those 2 words.
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CLUED, KNEED and PLIED may be removed because they are ED words that are past tense verbs?
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I don’t have a problem with OCTAL. Maybe they thought it was too obscure, but then why add GUNKY, LORIS and PSHAW?
This is where I think they’re being inconsistent.
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Agreed on GAYLY / GAILY.
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I have no problem with KAPUT.
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I play a lot of Words With Friends (Scrabble’s evil cousin). There are a lot of obscure words that you have to learn in that game. Some aren’t even words, but they’re in their word list; so, you learn them.
thank you—I copied this into my wordle word file. You’re right—I didn’t know about those 6 words. Much appreciated! 😀
You’re welcome!
🟨🟨⬛⬛⬛ RALLY
⬛⬛⬛🟩🟩 BRIAR
⬛⬛⬛🟩🟩 CEDAR
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
Started with an UU double (the trend is there.) Then did 2 repeats against my principles (the odds were there.) Just for it to be an UU 5 unique letter word.
Repeats will be the end of me.
I think it’s cool when an acronym gets lexicalized into a regular word.
Wordle 1,865 2/6*
🟨🟩🟨🟨⬜ ROAST 2
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
WordleBot
Skill 99/99
Luck 86/99
You’re just so good at this game!
Very cool Kim!
Wordle 1,865 4/6*
🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛ STILE
🟩⬛🟨🟨⬛ SHARP
🟩⬛⬛🟩🟩 SUGAR
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
WordleBot
Skill 98/99
Luck 50/99
NYT AVG. 3.3
I tried to think like Wordlebot today and use a word to rule out others and maybe pick up some letters. SHARP was a fairly low number reused one. WB did approve, and it got me the A and the R, so I guess it worked. But it still used up a guess and made me miss the average.
I thought it was interesting that SONAR was the answer today. When I used LIDAR recently, the ‘bot said that it was technically a valid guess but unlikely to be the solution.
I guess SONAR is much better known.
Scoredle 1/6*
14,855
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
My third. The first was alert which I played for a couple years, and I can’t remember the second. I do remember it was kind of a fluke. I’ve been playing this one for quite awhile. Now what? 🤔
Fantastic!!!!
Awesome!
Sweet! You could go with another lexicalized acronym like TASER. It’s not on the 2315 list, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it became an add.
Thanks! What list of 2315 do you use? The one I have seems to be incomplete.
TASER has a weighted bottle score of %51.38.
It is a likely ADD. More likely than PSHAW which was added, it has a WB score of %40.88.
PSHAW shows up with the lowest WB score of all the words that have been ADD’s. There are 15 words with scores worse than PSHAW that have scores over %36.
Below %36, there’s a huge gap then %4 (mentioned above).
Those words are:
ABOIL, AFORE, BRUIN, CLADE, DICER, DOWSE, DUCAT, METRE, NAGGY, OGLER, PLASM, RAVEL, TETRA, TUFTY, UNJAM.
Technically, likely to be ADDs, but should they be?
The dream
Awesome! 🏆
Congrats! 🎉
Wordle 1,865 3/6
🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜ ALINE
🟩⬜🟨⬜🟨 SLAIN
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
Wordle 1,865 2/6
🟧⬛⬛🟧⬛
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧
STEAL left 7 possible, but 6 were used. I worried about a repeat, but gambled against it.
Well done. You played it the right way.
The odds are still against REPEATs (even if the odds of a REPEAT are rising).
If repeats are randomly selected, then yes, the odds the next game is a repeat are the same regardless of days past. But I spot non-random in these patterns like maybe Cody the Coder was told to spread out X repeats into the rest of the year’s list.
But 18 is a small selection for stats.
I actually think the opposite that these REPEATS, ADDs and the entire word list is NOT random.
It’s being curated by Tracy Bennett to make the game more challenging.
How else would you explain the run on double letter words? If %20 of the words contain double letters then why would %60 of the recent answers contain them?
She knows people are expecting REPEATs so she is creating non-regular patterns to throw us off.
If you watch the videos, it’s clear that she’s selecting these words one by one in a queue of about 28-30 days in advance.
The best way to play this is to play the odds straight up IMHO.
If try to guess there will be a REPEAT and there isn’t one, you’ll score a lot of 4’s in the %82 of the days where it isn’t going to happen. I would rather rule out the words that haven’t been played yet and then consider REPEATs or ADDs. This way, I’m getting a 4 on those %36 of those days (worst case since I can often rule them out on guess 2.)
This is why I love this site, because it gives me a list of the words that have been played already.
My point was that it is not random. Cory the Coder.
Right, but it seems you think that makes the REPEAT more likely to happen tomorrow.
What I am saying is that it doesn’t make it more likely because there’s evidence of her grouping the ADDs and REPEATs in clusters. Definitively NOT random.
She puts these words closer together which creates longer runs of non-repeats or non-adds.
I can point out the specific instances if you want. (Both recent and in the past)
When you guess the REPEATs every day, your overall guess count is going to go up not down.
re: “When you guess the REPEATs every day, ”
You shouldn’t do that, especially after a recent repeat. But you *can* use repeats selectively (first year, great match/filter) as the number of days since last repeat get into the “high” range (10 or greater.) Deciding to not use in those cases could also increase your guess count.
The REPEAT is just as likely the day after a REPEAT as it is 10 days after the REPEAT.
She has done back to back ADD’s before and more recently REPEAT followed by and ADD or vice verse.
So, back to back REPEATs definitely possible.
Trying to guess the exact day of a REPEAT is folly.
Using a REPEAT as a burner word or a filter is fine if the possibilities are just too vast.
I always try to guess unplayed 2315 words as my filter; so, it can also be the answer. This gives me an outside shot at a 2.
Wordle 1,865 2/6*
⬛🟨⬛🟩⬛ TREAD
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
[Blood on the Ogre Tooth]
It was difficult to resist a repeat with this pattern. Many of the previously used were from the first year.
SONAR was the only non-repeat I could think of.
… …
Another for the acronym pile. RADAR and SCUBA are still biding their time.
Awesome!
Nice!!
Wordle 1,865 3/6
⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜ HAUTE
🟨🟨🟨🟨🟨 ARSON
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
I’ve never had this happen before, to have all letters in my second guess!
Yellow flash on top of Green flash. That is unique!
I guess it isn’t a pure yellow flash since 1 yellow was in row 1. Darn close though, and I haven’t seen 5 yellow on 5 green either.
Wordle 1,865 3/6*
🟩⬜⬜🟩⬜ STEAL
🟩⬜🟨🟩⬜ SCRAP (pu)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
Given the odds I guessed a PU for my second word. Kind of thought she would not use SUGAR -the only remaining PU so I went with SONAR.
Wordle 1,865 2/6
🟩⬜⬜🟩⬜ STEAL 8
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
The only nu words I thought of were SONAR and SARAN. Since the latter feels like a proper noun/brand I went with the acronym.
If SARAN is a legit possibility let me know, because that will be my 2nd guess if I’m faced with the same situation again
Great!
I don’t know the lists. But I imagine SARAN is not on them.
I think its primarily known in English as a trademarked word. Same as MYLAR, which would have fit the pattern of my start word.
Wordle 1,865 3/6
🟨🟨⬜🟨⬜ RAISE
🟩⬜🟨🟨⬜ SHARK
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
RAISE leaves 5 words that I care about.
I could have gone SCARY or SHARK for my second guess.
SHARK, SCARY and SWARM would have left a 50-50 with the other 2.
I decided on SHARK because it’s still summer. Shark attacks are in the news. If it were Halloween or Friday the 13th, I might have leaned SCARY.
SHARK is a nice hedge in case she adds SNARK which is a likely ADD. It’s WB score is 58.
Any of these guesses would have lead to SONAR.
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A dog drinks from a water bowl.
That’s the best I can think of.
Wordle 1,865 2/6
🟩🟨🟩⬜🟩 Saner
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 Sonar
My usual starter word was very helpful today! 🤸♀️
WordleBot
Skill 99/99
Luck 99/99
I don’t usually have access to the bot information because I’m not paying for a NYT subscription. However, I recently cleared my browser cache in an attempt to troubleshoot a problem, so just for today, I was able to look at the bot’s feedback.
You could do it in a private / incognito browser.
I forget how to do it on my iphone, but CTRL + SHIFT + N on the computer works.
Well done, BTW.
Thank you.
WordleBot usually hides its analysis button with a subscription screen overlay (up to 3 of them!) Sometimes it doesn’t, which I think is to give you a free taste. With Apple Safari browser there is a “Hide Distracting Items” feature that lets you hide the overlay(s) and get to the analysis button.
Also a good way to see paywall content (sometimes.)
I don’t think Chrome has a feature like this and requires an extension like “uBlock Origin” and its “Element Zapper”.
Thanks to both you and JD for the suggestions. I’ll keep them in mind.
It’s tempting to use those suggestions and spend more time on Wordle each day, but eventually I have pull myself away from the game and get stuff done.
With my husband, I make a joke out of “unplugging” my brain from distractions: I make a hand motion like I’m yanking something off my forehead and I make a popping sound with my mouth at the same time.
🔌
I don’t bother doing the Wordle Bot thing. I use an entirely different strategy than it would use anyway.
I figure I probably tie or beat the Bot most days.
I spend enough time analyzing anyway.
Wordle 1,865 5/6
🟨⬜⬜⬜⬜ adieu
⬜🟩🟨🟨⬜ toast
⬜🟩⬜🟩🟨 colas
🟩🟩⬜🟩🟩 solar
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 sonar
🟩⬛🟨⬛⬛ SLATE -12 NU words left
⬛⬛🟨⬛⬛ CURVY
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
High solve rate today-over 42% got it in 3.
Now trying to determine best 2nd word when this 1st guess pattern appears next time. Maybe CURVY, maybe DUMPY. There’s no perfect filter word for this one.
Wordle 1,865 3/6
⬜⬜⬜🟩⬜ Cleat
🟨🟩🟨⬜🟨 Rosin
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 Sonar
I debated between Cleat or Clean for the first guess; a little bit of buyer’s regret as Clean would have been more efficient.
We sometimes watch our granddaughter’s pet rabbit. He recognizes the words bunny and rabbit. Beatrix Potter is his favorite author. I read him one of her Peter Rabbit stories at his bedtime. 🙂
WordleBot 1865 4/6
⬜🟨🟨⬜⬜ trace #179 (74)
🟩⬜⬜🟩🟩 sugar #220 (2)
🟩🟩⬜🟩🟩 solar #211 (1)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 sonar 😳 NEW!
All in with pu on *day 15* since last repeat.
Tricky Tracy!
The next repeat will set a record, surpassing the longest between repeats of 15 days.
https://www.fiveforks.com/wordle/tips/#repeat-stats
Need a new repeat odds category: Super Duper High.
It seemed unlikely for a repeat to me today since there were so many possible words. Or doesn’t that matter?
It does matter. That’s why you’re seeing more ADDs now.
Unfortunately, the REPEAT rate is ticking up a bit too.
Hopefully, the long term odds will stay about %10 after we get past the next 4 weeks.
Ideally, I would love to see REPEATS go down and ADDs go up.
Help me understand the repeat odds, please. If the odds are 10% of a repeat does that mean 90% for a NU?
Now, I need help with your question. Is “NU” a “new unused” word?
“new unused” 😀
Love it. Reminds me of “Bury the Leed” which journalists misspelled on purpose. Inside baseball.
sorry about that … I should have said never used
Yes. If the REPEAT odds are %10, then the odds of a unplayed 2315 word or an ADD is collectively %90.
The current odds of a REPEAT are %15.6 !
The current odds of an ADD are %25 !
Odds of a NU is %84. (ADDs and 2315 NU words added together).
Odds of a unused 2315 word is %59.4 currently.
I expect a run on REPEATS is coming soon, but still hard to predict the exact day.
Yes we do! Love the name.
There is an %18 chance of a REPEAT now.
This means an average of one every 5.5 days over the next 28 days (4 weeks)
The odds of an ADD are exactly the same as the REPEAT.
Taken together, %64 chance that it’s neither.
This is per Wordle Tools.
Because it is not random, I think the odds are much higher for a repeat based on insertion behavior.
What does “insertion behavior” mean in terms of when the REPEATs happen?
Can you explain in more detail?
(Save a research project for me).
Wordle 1,865 3/6
🟩⬜🟨🟨⬜ SHONE
🟩🟩🟩⬜⬜ SONIC, went for the pu
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
Wordle 1,865 4/6
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ FLUID
🟨🟨🟨⬛⬛ ORATE
⬛🟩⬛🟨🟨 COBRA
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
where art thou, 3s?
where art thou repeat?
Very soon, but guessing them prematurely is a trap play.
I learned this lesson yesterday with LOSER.
You’re not going to be able to guess the exact day that it’s going to happen.
It’s still an %82 chance of it not being a REPEAT.
Tracy has had back to back ADD’s twice before. Brace yourself for back to back REPEATs. That’s how she can create a drought of REPEATs.
Wordle 1,865 3/6
🟨🟨⬛⬛🟩 ASTER
🟩🟩⬛🟩🟩 SOLAR
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 SONAR
should have been a 2 but I was fooled by HIGH REPEAT odds❗❗❗
Wordle 1,865 2/6
🟨🟨🟨🟨⬜ arose
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 sonar
I was sure a PU would mess up my 2-guess streak!
Wordle 1,865 2/6*
🟨🟨🟨🟨⬛ arose is it a pu or not
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 sonar
Good job you two!
Well done.
And yes, AROSE is an unplayed 2315 word.
It’s day is coming.
Woot!
Well done!
Great starter word choice today! AROSE is my go-to favorite, but alas I went a different route today
Interested to see if Linda keeps same start word as yesterday.
Potential ⛳️
Wordle 1,865 4/6
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ PITCH 955
🟨⬜🟨⬜⬜ ALOUD 32
🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨 ROMAN 1
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
Didn’t start well but recovered.
I wonder if Roman is on the possible solve list
ROMAN is not on the 2315 list, but it is a high probability ADD.
ROMAN’s Weighted Bottle score is %57.64 (%58 is a certain ADD).
return to theme … 9th 4 😖
⬜🟨⬜🟨⬜ CRUST- pu #21
🟩⬜🟨🟨⬜ SHARD – pu #229
🟩⬜⬜🟩🟩 SMEAR – pu #414
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 glad I didn’t put pu #221 (or it would been a 5!)
Had I played SPURN 1st (& not got sucked into the repeat nonsense) I’d have had S, R + N – better odds for solve
Suffice to say, that whilst I’ve enjoyed playing single vowel words, my solve rate has 💣
[left hook early in the game] standard recovery…..